Bruce Rux joins us to talk about his fantastic book Hollywood v. the Aliens We'll examine the big picture implications of the "UFO education" program, if it exists, and how it may effect future attempts by those "in the know" to disclose the reality of UFOs. From there, we'll get Bruce's perspective on how things have shaped up since the book came out, what he thinks of a variety of films and TV shows from '97-'09, including the reality TV boom, and where he sees things headed into the future. Plus, we'll cover some of the stuff that may have fallen through the cracks in previous installments, such as The Manchurian Candidate. We'll also find out more about where Bruce has been these last 9 years and what he may be working on now.

Moving the chronology along, we then talk about the George Bush Sr. years as president and how the depiction of aliens in those films took on a more sinister tone. This leads to Bruce responding to the "Devil's advocate" question of why the president of the United States would even want to effect the movies that came out during his administration. This leads back into our discussion on presidents and how, since Bush Sr. was very connected to the intelligence community, what he may known about UFOs and how that may be reflected in the movies from his era.

Picking up a nuggets that fell through the cracks earlier in the interview, Bruce talks about 1953's Invaders from Mars and how it may have been conveying what those "in the know" were feeling about UFOs and aliens at that time.

Looking at the world of movies and TV shows since the publication of Hollywood v. The Aliens was published in 1997, we find out how Bruce sees the "education program" shaping up over the last dozen years. He details what he thinks were the two most influential programs: Stargate SG1 and Roswell. Bruce reveals how the film Twilight seems to lift much of its story from Roswell. We talk a bit about what sort of non-UFO films may contain government secrets as well and we hear about Shooter and Manchurian Candidate as strong possibilities.

We ponder how the portrayal of what the government knows about UFOs and aliens has changed over the years as, perhaps, their knowledge got more advanced. This leads to some discussion on the nature of how the government handles secrets.

We find out if there is any chance for a re-release of Hollywood v. The Aliens with some additional material covering the last 12 years. We also find out if there is any particular reason why Bruce has been so "off the grid" over the last decade or so in Ufology. He also shares his take on UFO conventions and why they are a "mixed bag." He also shares his take on the perceived connection between UFOs and religion.

We then look at the genre of films and TV shows that were based on esoteric materials. This leads to Bruce talking about the Sci Fi series Dark Skies and how it was claimed to be sourced from "inside information" but is actually based on the work of William Cooper. This leads to some discussion on William Cooper and his mysterious death. We also talk about Fire in the Sky and Bruce talks about the changes in the film that differed from the actual account of Travis Walton's abduction. This segues into us getting Bruce's take on the purported Nordic-looking aliens and how they fit into how he sees greys as robots.

This leads to some discussion on how some theories (notably the Moon Hoax & Face on Mars) are consistently a punchline for the media and if that indicates more or less veracity to the theories. Bruce talks a bit about the Jack the Ripper story and the theories that there was some Masonic connection there.